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Farewell to brushed and NiMH – Part 2 – Associated B4

Thursday, November 5th, 2009

Just a brief look at my B4 before it loses its NiMHs for good… and probably the brushed stuff as well, although I don’t have any brushless electrics for this one yet!

A couple of things have impressed me about the B4 over a few months of owning and racing it.

First is how incredibly durable it is. I am effectively learning 2wd from scratch, racing on a pretty unforgiving multisurface indoor track, and I haven’t broken a single thing. The only part I have had to replace is the rear bulkhead, which was my fault for mistakenly threading a 5-40 screw into it (instead of a 4-40).

Second is how astonishingly well sorted the car is out of the box. After trying almost every alternative part Associated do, and trying various ballast arrangements, I keep coming back to an unballasted car, with springs, 30 degree caster blocks and black steering rack ballstuds being the only parts that are not in the box. Considering the B4 was released 6 years ago and developed on clay tracks, that is just amazing.

Associated B4

Associated B4

Still running the simple white body on my car. Easy to see, easy to paint. Tamiya PS1 cans if you were wondering. I’m running the JConcepts 7″ V-wing (#0109) which is brilliant. Super durable and looks a lot better than the tiny little kit wing – which cracked at the first race meeting. This JConcepts wing is still rock solid. Does it make the car faster and better handling? No idea.

Associated B4 electrics

Associated B4 electrics

Under the shell at present is the following…

  • Futaba S9451 servo – this will stay.
  • Futaba R133F reciever – also staying – I see no need to go to 2.4GHz when 40MHz works so well and there are fewer crystal clashes nowadays!
  • Keyence Rapida Pro ESC – such a good speedo, no capacitors or diodes hanging off it, full on-board programming – perhaps one day the brushless speedos will be this good?
  • Orion V2 12×1 motor – I don’t like these at all – no power and a nuisance to work on. Only put it in because my 19×1 needed new brushes.
  • East Power 4200 NiMH cells – I’m amazed that these survived 2 years of infrequent use and misuse. During that time at least two cells dropped to zero in storage but came back to life. They are totally shot now though.

Not that it is particularly relevant now since so few people use NiMH, but to get the pack to fit neatly in the B4 tray (which was designed around earlier, smaller cells), I had to rebuild it using the Trickbits economy battery bars, which are flat and thin (#TB2001). Stepped bars make the pack too wide.

B4 steering ballstud

B4 steering ballstud

You may just be able to make out in this photo that I have drilled out the top of the Associated ballcup. I have also replaced the ballstuds on the car (at great expense!) with Associated’s socket-head versions from the GT2 and B44. This allows me to undo the ballstuds without unpopping the ball ends. Frankly this wasn’t worth doing. If you want to copy me, use a 2.4mm (3/32″) drill bit to clear the 2mm (5/64″) hex wrench.

What is worth doing is replacing the silver ballstuds that are standard on the steering rack, with the black ones (#3981). These are 30thou lower than the silver ones, and remove the bumpsteer that you get if you use the 30deg caster blocks (an essential in my book – #9593). On the topic of caster blocks, have a 2.8mm (7/64″) reamer or drill bit handy to open out the hinge pin hole – the moulding on these has got incredibly tight since Thunder Tiger took over. My Dremel saw a lot of service during the build!

Associated B4 axle pins and nyloc nuts

Associated B4 axle pins and nyloc nuts

The only other change I have made to the car is a few parts from Nortech Racing. These axle pins are very simple but well worth having in my opinion. The standard B4 axle pin is a rough roll-pin that isn’t as big as the slot in the wheel. Stripped wheels seem likely – thankfully it did not happen to me. These Nortech pins are slightly longer for a better fit in the wheels, and are smooth and solid too which should make them stronger. I was hoping that the longer pins would stop the wheel nuts from working loose, however that has not really been the case. They need checking after each run. It’s a shame Associated don’t supply flanged or serrated nuts like the Japanese cars have.

The other Nortech part is the 4-40 nyloc nuts to hold the camber link ballstuds in place. The plain nuts in the kit can work loose, I lost one myself. I suppose a little threadlock would help but that doesn’t help assembly and disassembly. Nyloc is the way to go. Associated also make a few different kinds of nyloc nut if you prefer.

So, that is the car, all that remains is the setup. As I said earlier, I have tried most things, but kept coming back to the same settings. A few observations…

  • The 30 degree caster blocks get the balance of the car spot on.
  • Moving the camber links in one hole at the wheel tightened the car up nicely and stopped its tendency to roll deep into the corner.
  • Since I run on a mostly carpet track, I found that the stiffer I went on the rear springs, the better the car got. More precision and greater corner speed.  Generally I’m running silvers or greys in the outside hole on the wishbone (truck blues are a step too far and make the rear lose grip).
  • Front springing is in balance with the rear (generally blues or silvers in the outside hole). I also prefer #1 pistons as the #2′s seemed to make the front end a little unpredictable.
  • Anti-roll bar has never been better than running a slightly stiffer spring rate. It upsets the balance between roll and pitch stiffness
  • I could barely tell the difference between wheelbase settings
  • I tried putting more ballast on the front bulkhead to keep the nose down in fast corners. It failed to do that and just made the car feel a little more sluggish on the steering. Stiffer rear springs and shorter links did more to keep the nose down than.

Associated B4 indoor setup – b4_caldicot_19x1v2_DA.pdf

That’s it for now! :)

Farewell to brushed and NiMH – Part 1 – TOP Scythe

Friday, October 30th, 2009

So, the time has finally come for me to move out of the dark ages and upgrade my electrics.

My brushed motors are now all desperately lacking in comm and I have no more brushes. My NiMH cells false peak and are soft as hell on the track. Furthermore, the BRCA have dropped the touring weight limit to 1350gms – and there is no way I can acheive that with NiMH.

Before I throw half of this gear in the bin, I thought I’d upload a few current shots of the TOP Scythe (which may also be going soon as it is not particularly LiPo-friendly). I’ve been running the car in 19T class for a little over 2 years now, most recent result being a pretty satisfying 11th qualifier at the first round of the Carpet Thrashnals, against a good quality field running 10.5 brushless. Tyres are RP30.

TOP Scythe - Brushed and NiMH!

TOP Scythe - Brushed and NiMH!

The car is still running the original Protoform Mazdaspeed 6 body – which has seen far, far better days now! It’s also nice to have a #1 sticker on there – even if it is only for pole in the B final.

Ouch!

Ouch!

The car is still very close to a box-stock 2007 Red Edition. While many people upgraded to the complete alloy bulkheads, I always preferred the plastic car, which is a lot more forgiving. There is a little bit of red bling with the locknuts, but apart from the the car is prepped for performance, not looks.

TOP Scythe front end

TOP Scythe front end

At the front end the most obvious change is the spool. I’ve been running the TOP steel spool, and I’ve been very happy. Spools have a reputation for being hard on the drivetrain, but I have never broken a single part on the whole car – all that has been replaced is a couple of the plastic bulkheads when the threads have stripped from removing the top deck.

I’ll upload a setup at the end. Among the things not covered by the setup sheet, the interior of the shocks (all round) is a little different, using the Rayspeed 1.2mm machined pistons, and with the internal spacer ground down to 2mm to allow a decent amount of droop. I use the split rear block which makes it possible to raise the roll centres with shims without rubbing the belt. Oh, and I’ve also reversed the upper shock mounting and added a plain nut so you don’t crush the shock bushings – big problem with the Yokomo parts, which will really wreck the handling. I’ve also got some old steel Kyosho balls in the shock bottoms for smoother movement.

TOP Scythe electrics

TOP Scythe electrics

Here are the electrics which are about to be (mostly) retired. The Futaba S9550 low-profile servo and the R133F 40MHz FM receiver will stay. The servo is still perfect, and 40MHZ still works – so why change? For reference, I’m using the Tamiya high-torque servo saver (can’t fault it), and the TOP servo mounts need to be cut down a little to clear the servo cable.

The speed controller was dug up from the bottom of my pitbox. It’s a 2001 vintage GM V12 – not that you can tell because the label is completely worn away. Still a great brushed speedo. Motor is a Much-More Eavan 19T – again, a sound motor, made in the same Sagami factory that produces most of the non-Trinity 19Ts you could buy. No tweaks on that apart from some F-line brushes. Cells are East Power 4200s – which have also surprised me by surviving 2 years of use and misuse – but they are dead now.

TOP Scythe rear end

TOP Scythe rear end

Very little to report back here. Same approach to shock building as at the front, otherwise very close to stock – including the original steel diff balls (which are fine!). The optional TOP diff stickers come well recommended – they really do keep muck out and extend the time between rebuilds. They are available for a number of other cars too.

TOP Scythe chassis

TOP Scythe chassis

Finally, a shot from below. Despite a few outdoor meetings with the car, there are no gouges or scrapes, just a fine polishing of the chassis edges. Using the fine bumper shims helps, without them the bumper drags on the ground. And no, I never prep the chassis edges, and I have never had a chassis delaminate on any car. A bit of a trackside myth if you ask me…

Scythe_setup_thrashnal_10_09

That’s the car as it stands today. A museum piece really – amazing how fast LiPo and brushless have taken over. You may wonder why I have bothered to share this irrelevant information. Well, perhaps in 20 years time you will want to reminisce about nickel cells and carbon brushes – and this website might still be going!